doesnt involve a lo but there was about a 10 year old boy on our coach the other week (went away for the weekend) he must have gone to the toilet 7-8 times in the space of 20mins, i was trying to get dd asleep and he was being noisy, i asked him why he kept going there he said to go a wee - i asked him if he has a weak bladder, he had no idea what i was going on about, then another boy kept coming up aswell and they were  giggling, my mum told them to goback and sit in theor own seats cos thay kept sitting infront of us, the next time they came back i told him if he wants to go to the toilet bring his mum down with him. he shook his head, so i said (a bit louder so hopefully she could here) "if you need to go to the toilet for the 10th time in 30mins bring your mum with you cos you're just messing around and stopping my daughter from going asleep" didnt see him again after that! dont think his mum even realised he wasnt sitting with her! i'll have no qualms telling others off if they interfere with my dd lol i used to be quite shy but dd is bringing me out of myself lol x

Went to a baby group this morning. Thre was a section for under 3s, and my lo was in there, a couple of boys aged about 10 jumped in there and trampled all over my lo. So I moved lo away. I put him down again at another part still in the under 3s and went to get his juice cup, turned my back to walk to it and I turn round and one of the boy is poking my lo in the head with a stick off the end of a skipping rope. I take the stick off the boy and say that is very naughty he is much smaller than you, he goes off to cry to his mum. His mum comes over I look at her she looks at me and then her son (who is about bends down and hits my lo(14 months) in the face. I bend down pick my lo up and say to the boy, would you like me to hit you in the face? No? And his mum just stands there doesn't say anyhting and me and the lo move somewhere else to play! I really wanted to slap her one!!

Dont get me wrong i know kids have their moments and its a learning process, kids hit out and dont realise its wrong etc but as all you ladies said if the parent is keeping an eye on their child and tells them its wrong when they do it it tends to work. Sitting drinking coffee and totally ignoring your childs behaviour dosent help at all.

Anyway, feel better today, i will probably go back next week and see how it goes.

i am looking around for groups to go to but waiting til a friend can come as i've heard they are cliquey. i was in the docors waiting room a ouple of months ago and a woman came out of the toilets with a 3(ish) year old she went into the doctors room and left the boy runnung round in the waiting room - she was gone a good 30-40mins didnt even check to see if he was ok - in that time he kept coming over to me and dd and saying "a baby" "a buggy"  then held dds hand and pointed to the play area, told him she was too small and he pulled her! if i wasnt holding her he would have pulled her onto the floor! i had no problems in telling him off!! he was running riot throwing leaflets about climbing up everything, os he kept coming over to me everyone thought he was my boy so i kept making a point of asking "wheres your mum?" in the end the receptionist came to ask if he was mine - he had really irritated me by then (kept throwing the leaflets and a book in my direction and trying to pull dd, and playing with her toys on the buggy - he wasnt the most hygenic looking kid) i said loudly "no he bloody aint!" didnt mean to sound so rude but i'm very touchy about anyone pulling my baby about dont care how old they are

when his mu did eventualy come out she sat down for about 15mins and didnt even look at him!!

dont get me wrong, sophies no angel!! she does try too s*** toys from other kids as do a lot of the toddlers but i always tell her not to and make her give the toy back (if she succeeded in taking it), its the mums that dont watch or correct them that annoy me. if the child's not told its wrong they wont learn and will keep doing it. at one of our toddler groups we have use of the garden, if the kids go out the majority of the mum's will follow them out to keep an eye on them, but the mum of the girl we've had problems with stays inside with the baby and her friend just chatting!

Well I'm going to hang my head in shame here.  I take my 18 month old ds to toddler groups and he has been known to push other kids his age and younger (never older) in order to get to what he wants and he often trys to take toys off other kids.  I can't tell you how embrassing this is.  However I'm not one of thoses mums who ignores it, I have to watch him like a hawk to prevent him doing these things.  And if he does I always say sorry to the child and parent and give the toy back to them, help them back on their feet etc.  I can understand where your coming from and I to would be annoyed, especially if the parents aren't doing anything about it, but I'm just trying to give another angle to this ie - its very hard to stop your toddler doing these things when they don't consider others feelings / understand that its wrong (although we're working on it)!. I've also have to had words with parents of younger babies who seem to be unaware of the dangers of leaving their hot drinks on the floor where Los can easily knock them over.  I wouldn't stop going though, have a word with the leader about how you feel, I bet your not the only one x

I must be one of the mums that you hate then.   Last year when ds2 was born I went to a baby/toddler group.  Ds1 was 2 at the time.  He was a nightmare.  He hit and pushed and hurt other children. I always spoke to him and he always apologised to the children he'd hurt but in the end I stopped going because of his behaviour.  I did watch him as much as I could with breastfeeding baby in tow.  The other mums made me feel so bad about ds1 that I was in tears much of the time which is why I stopped going and have not been to any other groups since.

Ds1 is much better behaved now.  He is a model child at preschool and pretty good at home. I think he was just very unsettled when his baby brother was born.

Maybe try to talk to the mums with 'naughty' children.  If they've got more than one child it can be so difficult.  It's so much easier when you've only got one to focus on.

I agree, they don't watch their children. It annoys me most when theres do somehing bad and they never notice but when I notice my lo has done something and tell him off - they look at you like ooooh what a bad child you have! If only they paid attention to their own, my lo wouldn't be learning from theirs! Lol

I think alot of grouops are cliquey. I feel alot of women are intimidated by my profession so don't talk to me, and also as my child is the only mixed race child in a very white area.

I have made a few "friends" at the groups though and we catch up at each others houses etc, one of the girls babysits my lo an I babysit hers so it's not all bad

Its good to know im not alone, I was looking forward to going back and having something to do but i couldnt get out of there quick enough. Apparantly thats the only group in the village so i suppose i need to go back, dd loves it (unless shes getting attacked with teapots etc lol), The people are so unfriendly too. I was going to say something to the mother but dont think it would have done much good tbh. Some people eh.

Hi, sorry to hear about your lo getting whacked in the face! (((hugs))). I know how you feel, I take my dd to several mum and tots groups and at 2 of them there is a little girl that runs riot and pushes and pulls all the other lo's. Her mum always sits on the mats with her baby and another woman with her baby. Rather than take it in in turns to watch the older ones they both just sit there! A few wks ago some of us other mums actually complained to the leaders (its a sure start group) about it and they spoke to the mother at the end of the session. Thankfully things have improved, although she does still have her moments. It's not nice as we watch our kids all the time but also have to watch out for this lo to make sure she's not about to start on them! My dd is 17 mths and we were told this lo is 1, no chance!!! She's much bigger than our lo's and is stringing sentances together lol, when we said this we were told well she's almost 2!

Dont let them put you off going, try and have a word with the organizers and see if they could have a word the mother. xx

i stopped going to mine for the same reasons.

This place was a accident waiting to happen.

I actually saw a little girl in a buggy the other day outside of asda she must of been about 10/11 months old and a little boy about 2/3 yrs ran up to her and smacked her so hard in the face

the mum was chatting to someone else and just shouted daniel come backm over here!

The mum with the baby went nuts and it nearly ended in a fight but other people stepped in

i was in too much shock to move!

I;ve been going to my local mums and tots for a few months now, met a couple of woman their with children the same age as dd (15 months). We went back today, was the first day its been open after the summer hols.

Anyway, im so bl00dy angry. Half the mums there dont even watch their kids which resulting in dd getting whacked across the face with a heavy toy teapot. The mum of the boy was too busy chatting to her friends. I mean i go to socialise with other mums too but i always have 1 eye on dd. So, i picked dd up and she had a big mark on her forehead. She was ok after a few minutes so i let her back down and she picked up a ball only for another boy to come over grab the ball and push her over. I was so mad. The woman i know werent there today so i was on my own and tried to make conversion with a few people but its so damn cliquey.  Its put me off going back tbh and i think i will try and find another one.

Sorry for going on but i was so mad, think i must have pmt or something because i actually cried on the way home lol. Why do some people not keep an eye on their kids though, its a case of leaving them to it so they can catch up with the gossip.